Hi Elsa,

I have difficulty understanding what an 8th house person is or a Pluto person is. From what I understand if you are either of the above, people have a good/bad reaction to you. If a person has a good reaction to you, can it change to a bad reaction and vice versa a bad reaction to a good reaction. Also, is this all really just projection on the 8th/Pluto person?

Seeking Clarity

Hi, Clarity.

Great questions.  I’ll take them one at a time.

I have difficulty understanding what an 8th house person is or a Pluto person is.

Pluto rules Scorpio which rules the 8th house.
Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th house are all associated with sex, death, rebirth, psychology, healing, intensity, extremes, the collective unconscious / shadow, and “other people’s resources”, etc.

If a person is a Scorpio or has a stellium in the sign OR
If a person has a lot of planets in the 8th house OR
If a person has Pluto prominent (on an angle, conjunct their Sun, aspecting a lot of planets in their chart…

It’s safe to say they’re a, “Plutonian” or a “Pluto-type”.

From what I understand if you are either of the above, people have a good/bad reaction to you.

Maybe. Some people like Scorpio energy. My Scorpio friend of forty years, Ben, told me that how much someone liked me was tied to how comfortable they were in their “un-comfort” zone.  (Tag – un-comfort) Ben is comfortable being uncomfortable. He’s had a good reaction to me for nearly four decades.

Others deplore Scorpio energy. They have the opposite reaction and it’s often extreme. Usually, this is right up until they have a Pluto transit. At that time, they’ll find someone like me who can help them navigate.

What you’re referring to though, I think, is the phenomena of how Scorpio energy sucks people in as it simultaneously repels them.  This is also real and it’s the most common experience. It’s like looking at a car accident when you drive by. You don’t want to look but then you look anyway.  People don’t want to come to this blog…yet here they are.

If a person has a good reaction to you, can it change to a bad reaction and vice versa a bad reaction to a good reaction.

Yes. It’s not common but it’s possible. Not just to me, but to any Plutonian person.  It’s possible to grow in appreciation for a person who is constantly in the shadow. You may come to respect or even admire their forbearance.

Let’s say I have a consultation with someone and I cut to the chase. The person might hang up, feeling upset with me. But six months later when all the stuff I told them manifests and they find it can be dealt with, exactly as I outlined, they’ll see the consultation in a different light. “I was really pissed off at the time, but…”

If you like Plutonian people, and if you’re used to them, you learn to transcend your knee jerk reaction. I have been told some hideous things by Scorpio, over the years. I knew, because of who was doing the talking, they probably knew what they were talking about. I kept quiet, poker-facing my feelings.

These conversations turned out to be some of the most important exchanges I ever had in my life. I was told these things because the speaker thought I could handle it and they were right.

Also, the Plutonian person has a reaction to you too. People tend to forget this.

Also, is this all really just projection on the 8th/Pluto person?

No.  This is possible as well, but “projection” and “Pluto” are not synonyms!  What’s common is that the Pluto person carries the shadow for the collective. We do clean up.

Examples – My husband cleaning up after the mass suicide at Jonestown.
Or all my encounters with other people’s feces.

When you deal with things like this, some people don’t want to be around you. I wouldn’t give this to “projection”. You have a vibe about you. It’s unnerving to some and some people want to avoid it.

I don’t judge this, by the way. There are people who unnerve me too!

Add your thoughts about Scorpio / Pluto / 8th house types.

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